"I think the senator, if he could just say it over again, might want to say that we would encourage Musharraf to allow us to do it if we thought he couldn't accomplish it, " Giuliani said.

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"We used to be about fishing and exporting to Scandinavia, now with the renewables we've got a reason for being again, so I think it's absolutely critical for us over the next few years, that we take that opportunity for the local supply chain, " said Dr Sewell.

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They have been lied to I think and now that you're telling them the truth you have to do it over and over again, and so when we tell people you have to change people would constantly say, well, I agree with you there needs to be change but I don't want to be impacted by the change.

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